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  Belief System Flowchart

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  often we see flowcharts, on how to solve a problem, like in medical books.. so i was thinking if it was possible to make a religious flowchart, and try to reach a logical outcome.... make your belief flowchart and post it here .

  i just made this as example.

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  drew sagan

  trying to make a statement of how religious beliefs take us nowhere?
  
  ;)
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  Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist

  by darkuncle29 in

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  2. friends

  so, what about those of us in the middle?

  who identify as neither xian or atheist?

  can either side accept/tolerate the middle?

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  drew sagan

  Who else may be considered middle? Pagans, Wicans, Buddhists, Taoists, shamans, ect.

  I suppose it depends upon how you define "in the middle". What exactly are they in the middle of?
  
  From (the very little) you described of yourself I think agnostic seems to fit.
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  HOW JWS TREAT THE MINOR CHILDREN OF DISFELLOWSHIPPED MEMBERS

  by steve2 in

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  2. friends

  as part of another post, i asked the following question (but got no reply):.

  has any watchtower publication ever discussed - or alluded to - how witnesses are to "view" the minor children of persons who have been disfellowshipped?.

  on this board, and from direct experience, i have seen a wide range of treatment dished out to the innocent offspring of disfellowshipped persons.

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  drew sagan

  The quotes blondie provided show how the Watchtower leadership will write material that can give positive suggestions. But how deep do a few paragraphs go in regards to an issue of such weight.
  
  Do JWs run off to the bound volumes to look up how a kid in that situation should be treated? Some might, but the majority would base their treament of the child on the social implications that run through the group (i.e. DF'ing is bad therefore the child gets some of this negative energy).
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  Barbara Anderson is on NBC Nightly News Tonight 11/21/07

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  a producer with nbc in new york called within the past hour to tell me that the segment i interviewed for (once in nashville, tn in august and once in washington, dc in october) is set to air tonight on nbc nightly news with brian williams, that is, if no huge calamity takes place to bump the feature.

  this piece will be two minutes and 45 seconds long, the longest slot nightly news has for topics of interest, and will feature a discussion about the court documents that are found on the cd i recently produced, "secrets of pedophilia in an american religion, jehovah's witnesses in crisis.

  in addition, nbc's internet site, msn, will follow with a detailed story.

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  drew sagan

  Getting news of the court documents out to the public is great news.
  
  Good Job!
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  Keeping in touch/making a clean break

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to get your opinion on something.

  how do you all feel about getting in touch with long-lost ex-jws?

  there are a couple of people i used to know that i would love to hang out with again.

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  drew sagan

  I agree, what do you have to loose.
  
  Me and my wife got in touch with an old df'd friend and have since met up a number of times.
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  What Congregational "Rules" Did You Have To Follow?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  one rule our hall had was that families with young children should only sit in the rear of the hall.

  if a baby got fussy, the attendant was to go to the mother and ask her to bring the child in the library or "backroom".. also, disfellowshipped persons were to sit in the back of the hall and if they talked to another df'd one in front of the congregation members, they were threatened with not being allowed to get reinstated and having a lack of humility.. did your elders make up certain rules in your hall?.

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  drew sagan

  I remember one Elder demanding that women wear skirts that where so low they 'dragged on the ground'.
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  Fraud JW Style

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  http://www.news.com/police-blotter-dot-com-swindler-goes-to-prison/2100-1014_3-6219675.html.

  http://www.news.com/.

  police blotter: dot-com swindler goes to prison .

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  drew sagan

  There was a situation where we lived where a JW based health insurance company ripped off many people. They took peoples money but would not pay out on the claims received.
  
  I knew one Elder who called up the company and asked the person working there if she was JW. When she said yes he asked her "how could you be ripping your brothers and sisters off like this". He didn't get much of a reply.
  
  Many people ended up having to cover the costs of their medical bills personally, not to mention the loss of actually buying the bogus insurance.
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  amazing weightloss

  by MegaDude in

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  http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/overweight_bodybuilder-2004.

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  amazing transformation of a man..

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  drew sagan

  damn! anybody need a skin graph because that guys got extra...
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  Help please (Leolaia, Narkissos?).

  by Awakened07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if these are stupid questions or not, but i just thought of it all last night, and would like to have it answered:.

  so - the jews around the time jesus came around were apparently expecting a messiah to show up, because of the prophecies in the ot.

  so they were waiting for the messiah to 'arrive' at the time.

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  drew sagan

  Good points Leolaia, understanding the diversity in beliefs at the time is key.
  
  I remember one particular moment about two years ago when I began do study on the Jewish nation outside of Watchtower literature. At the time I was totally blown away when learning about the Jewish diaspora, especially after the Babylonian conquest. As a JW you are led to believe that the Jews where very 'unified' in their 'organization' (the modern org being a reflection of the ancient one).
  
  Seeing history outside of Watchtower assumptions was really eye opening.
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  Favourite Classical music

  by Guest with Questions in

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  2. friends

  on another thread i posted be still my soul.

  it is taken from sibelius finlandia.

  it starts at 4:50. beethoven will probably always be at the top for me but this is great music.. sibelius finlandia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdzipg3beem&mode=related&search=.

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  drew sagan

  ravel's bolero!